chances of getting caught lying on faa medical

The Third Class is an absolute joke. Brian, you are right on about AMEs being able to grease the wheels for pilots with the FAA medical people. My ex lied and never mentioned it. Special Issuance hoop jumping is expensive. Find one that will work with you to meet the necessary requirements, but lying is not an option. If your medical expires, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to fly. So why disclose it here on an open forum? Like everything els not all AMEs are created equally. Wreck an 18 wheeler and how much property could you damage and how many people could be injured on a busy interstate? Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? How about the person that might have some minor anxiety issues? The best advice we can give you is to visit an aviation medical examiner (AME). Hell no!!! That isnt good leadership. Such a persons private physician(s) might not think so, but those physician(s) have no say in the matter. How is THAT not a red flag to someone??? The FAAs denial letter may look daunting, but time and time again, airmen with a history of ADHD are being issued medical certification following the appropriate presentation of the airmens fitness for flight. The AME guide expands on that question to unexplained unconsciousness. The AME Guide is available to all pilots on the FAA website. Lets analyze how you got to a denial and what can be done to appeal the denial. Hmmm Wiley Post was one of the great Aviators flue around the world was he Illeagle??? Remember that most pilots who have lost their medicals because they lied are probably not around here to talk about it. Unfortunate as those events are, they do NOT cause accidents. None of the above activities has any significant medical requirement. Out of those, the number of GA deaths from medical incapacitation is tiny. Im due for a flight medical soon. I think ill just go to Mexico and get a falsified medical. However, I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent. Please remember, he has a liability also. He petitioned the FAA to remove his special issuance for that disorder and supplied a letter from his treating physician, and the special issuance requirement went away. AOPA and FAA have not really been a lot of help. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? He had me sit where I could not see him so that I could not tell when he hit the switch that turned on the tone I was required to listen for. Well, I believe we should have to have a medical to operate a car, a motorcycle, a truck, a bus, a train or any type of machine that is exposed to or involved in transportation. Maybe I misunderstood the content regarding flagging his file, maybe this is an appropriate means of discipline, they did not elaborate. It has little to do with Health. Do you need a medical to operate a large motor home, car, boat, sand dune buggy, tractor, motorcycle, etc, etc. Would the FAA prefer people to auger in because they are depressed rather than get a medication. Having spent over 10k learning to fly I was advised at my medical I had LBBB. Few people have memory of everything diagnosed as a child, how many appoinments one has been to in the last 3 years, or even knowledge of what the doctor has put in your medical record. Question 18m. The absurdity of these medicals resides in the tiny number of casualties from medical incapacitation, compared to most other activities requiring no medical. It only came after I got out of the loop and had the hospital send the info straight to OK. You know how we all type up our medical records now, at least they think so. Also my flight instructor was telling me that he knew an applicant who lied about his criminal history for shoplifting and two to three months later the FAA found out and pulled his medical currently and he did not hear back for any clearance to fly again so these are great examples why not lie. What the FAA is looking for are patterns of behavior that suggest pathological conditions that may lead to gross negligence or unsafe decisions regarding flying. Did you tell the FAA you snore? Dont worry about getting caught unless you lie about you criminal history you will be fine. I started flying and was completely awe-stricken. In certain circumstances, I wouldnt think twice about lying on the medical form, quite frankly. If you didnt say yes then you lied. That is the FAA point of view. Policy Seems arbitrary to me. If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. Meanwhile the FAA now sits on thier collective thumbs deciding what to do. I do medicals on two pilots who went on a vigorous diet and lost weight. However, the overriding principle here is that if you intentionally falsify your medical and are discovered, then you are done permanently. You do not have to be Richard Collins or Ernest Gann simply a GA pilot with a story youd share with friends sitting in the hangar. This is likely true for those receiving social security disability benefits as well, What Happens When the FAA gets Suspicious. should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. While the bills in Congress to eliminate the Class 3 Medical Certificate are progressing slowly, the FAA is taking steps to minimize the bureaucratic red tape involved with certain illnesses, such as prostate cancer. Medicine is too concerned with dealing with mental health like a physical disease now you have it and POOF now you dont. Brian, what about a medication that was rx when you were eight and havent taken for 20yrs? Lets assume 10%, which is probably a high figure. How about an 83 year-old on medication for type II diabetes, depression, and senility taking medication for all 3 problems? Im depressed, so their answer is to tell me I cant do anything to fix my problem whilst simultaneously denying me something that significantly helps with my depression: Flying? At a minimum, the liar can lose flight provileges for good. If you have ever been denied a medical, you still cannot go in and just use your drivers license. Sometimes, your case can be put higher up in the stack. They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. How about medical visits in past 3 years? (And not be able to go to the interview next month with the cert in hand). My name is not Gustavo either. Nonetheless, the posts are very short for novices. Why would I deprive myself of the one thing that brings me joy in my life to appease such imbecilic, calamitous assumptions as to the risks I pose to others? If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. If he admits it and is taking an approved medication, there are a few extra steps but he will maintain his medical. Returning home, the Civil Aviation Medical Board cleared me for flying. That question cant be removed from the form easily, so you have the option of clicking the box labelled International or declining to provide and leaving the field blank. Some of the disqualifying conditions are definitely going to keep someone from getting a medical certificate, but these are illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Your email address will not be published. Ones health does not distinguish between ones ability to pilot a 2 seater weighing 1320 lbs and a 4 seat airplane weighing 3500 lbs. While my husband sailed through after having lied. Thats just BS. I am going to start a letter campaign to ask the people who can make this happen (our elected officials), to get behind it and make it happen quickly. These are a few of the most frequently asked questions pilots have concerning the FAA and their medical certificate. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? I did years later and got totally cleared. Email me at [emailprotected]. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. Im older now and have some typical late 40s health issues. There shouldnt be different standards for flying than are for driving. Case in point: A student pilot I was familiar with crashed his aircraft into the runway and killed himself after being arrested for drunk-driving the previous night. Im another one that was originally honest and regrets it. They may only get 3rd class, but they are flying with strict guidelines on preflight accu check, inflight accu check, etc. Do you need to have 20/20 vision to be a pilot? I took medication for years, before I decided I didn't like and chose to stop taking meds (with my parents). Fly over open country and probably be able to put the plane down in a field if there were trouble but the FAA has a BIG resounding NO for that. We can never win with you, only lose. Much is right there too, but that practice detracts from an otherwise good performance. Once set up by politicians, these agencies rule by fiat, for which there is no recourse. They didnt even send him a letter informing him about his conduct. Self certification is where the FAA should focus their energy. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. Signed, RN/PPSEL/IFR. In the FAA world view you are not telling the truth. So whatever reason the FAA brings to you such as your depressed or you have ADD, they dont know what the **** theyre talking about. And the FAAs restrictions regarding SSRIs effectively make it impossible for use by commercial pilots. The FAA medical certification process starts when you fill out an electronic application in MedXPress. Flying is no more dangerous than driving when properly trained. They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. If the medical dates are incorrect, please contact CAMI at (405) 954-4821. But sharing them with the FAA is detrimental to your health. I just left the Marine Corps and want nothing more than to begin my flight training, but I still cant help but wonder about the outcome, especially after all I have read on this thread. Age is only a number. I do not think that there is anybody who does not lie or has not lied at one time or another. The list of silliness just goes on and on. There is no rule to disclose insulin dependence for a drivers license and a drivers license, not a medical certificate, is all that is required to fly as a sport pilot. I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! Pilots that I talk to share the same dreams as I do and we all began chasing the dream at an extremely young age. Boating accident deaths 750 I just recently got my Cat 1 medical, and honestly the doctor is pretty thorough when it comes to examining his patient, everything from blood pressure to ECG. If successful with testing, you can then make further arguments that you do not have an aeromedically significant medical condition. Lie, definitely not. Perfect safety is impossible, and an excessive attempt to achieve it will conflict with freedom. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. BINGO! The process is so closed ,opaque, and bureaucratic. Why? Also remember Ronald Crews 16 months in jail flying with Cape Air back in 2006 for lying about his diabetes on question 18k and then he had a diabetic seizure in flight but luckily there was a student pilot there to land the plane. What a great time you both will have. Thus, agencies such as the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Federal Bureau of Identification (FBI), for example, will most likely still be able to see your expunged records. If you do or don't disclose, that's your business. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. Thank you for the post. These blogs are linked to your name/email be truthful but be careful. The FAA would, if it could, ban all general aviation to create a perfect safety record, and thus avoid any potential criticism from the press and Congress. Thus the FAAs excessive emphasis, on the potential hazards of medical conditions and medications, serves only to reinforce its own bureaucratic authority. The FAA Medical requirements need revision and made more rational instead of simply being a procedural nightmare for pilots. FAA doesnt. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. Speaking as a pilot, I think that there should be a way to maintain certification for those of us flying recreationally without having to see an AME every 2 years. That cost me about six months of flying. How is that fair? It sometimes gets people injured and sometimes gets people killed. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. One of the greatest fears among aspiring and qualified pilots is not being issued or losing their medical certificate. Bluskye, the FAA does not have the personnel to handle things quickly.. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. A quick examination of the many truthful and honest individuals that are truthful during their AME exams and are no barred from ever becoming a pilot! whether, in their life, have they been diagnosed with, had, or presently have a history of ADHD. What Exactly Does A Biomedical Engineer Do? Drowning deaths 2400 With $ 20.00 USD anything is possible down there and then just let the FAA go through hoops to find my one in a million medicals just to disqualify and pull my medicalwhich is fake after allwill give them and me something to do till I can think of some other ways to pass the time with the all mighty FAA. Often it is not a case of pilots intentionally lying or withholding information that can get them into trouble, but ignorance of what they need to report. Even without a lie, I've seen situations in which the need to disclose something might have been questionable and the pilot answered "yes" one year, but "no" in a later year. Thats out of tens of millions of flights. Not much of a medical exam, if you ask me. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. The smart ones do. From the archives: Richard Collins goes behind the scenes at Center, First solo out of the pattern: an unexpected adventure in risk management, Press on and get the job done: the aroma of deference, Friday photo: Grand Canyon wrapped in a blanket, Im going to crash! -helping a pilot in distress. I live in the UK and the medical over here for a pilot licence, they dont do an EEG. I believe those with conditions that would be considered a problem while flying (vertigo, blackouts, narcolepsy, use of medications that cause side effects that present without warning and could be debilitating, etc.) Back when I was an F/O we flew in airplanes with single head radios. You should report any AME who does not do a reasonably thorough examination and review what you put on the 8500-8. Here is my suggestion: Expand the gross weight of light sport airplanes to something like 1800 pounds. Ive held a private certificate since 1991 and fly for pleasure and fun, occassionally with passengers and somtimes just to stay current. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. And, apparently, if and applicant for a first medical certificate with student certificate has had epilepsy, he/she can be deferred even if seizure-free for more than 10 years. May just you please lengthen them a little from next time? Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. But have to retest for awake and alertness annually. I wish somebody would have told me that last year when I filled out my first med in 11 years. https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/SAFE_PILOT_Testimony_july17.pdf. By logging into your account, you agree to our. Look at that, all 4 of them had a diagnosis from the VA. More than anything, this should be pressing the FAA to adjust how they look at mental illness and flying. I take my family on flights in my aircraft and there is no way I am going to put them at risk. It is none of their business. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. AFAIK the FAA considers ADHD medications a serious issue. But then how would all the AMEs and some people in the FAA make a living??? I used to go up about twice a week; now I havent flown since August. They even asked me are you sure you never had epilepsy attacks?. Everyone at some point or another you all have been diagnosed with something. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. So why are private pilots singled out for this rediculous harrassment ? Required fields are marked *. dangerous individuals about whom one reads in the news at 10. I am hoping that they do the right thing when it comes to my health assessment. N From the details they ask about, you would think you were applying to be an astronaut. Never used my weapon except for training. I dont know if all pilots lie during medicals, but I do know of one who did. Driver licenses are not issued by the Feds. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you. Coronary heart disease that has been treated or, if untreated, that has been symptomatic or clinically significant, Disturbance of consciousness without satisfactory explanation of the cause, A personality disorder that is severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts, Transient loss of control of nervous system function(s) without a satisfactory explanation of the cause. Ask your AME to call Oklahoma City and ask to speak with a physician about your case. What is 1st 2nd and 3rd class FAA medical? How many of you have had an enforcement action for a medical violation? The SIC will pull the body out of HIS brand new seat. One will get a license. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis.. You are there to take away joy and livelihood. Like many organizations, the FAA puts its own authority, power and existence ahead of those, whom it is supposed to serve. They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. so.does everyone repeat their whole life medical history.or just the recent stuff since the last medical exam? . Yes its very rare for someone to have heart attack or neurological brain seizure in flight. Its possible that a pilot could fill out a MedXpress form to the best of their knowledge and still leave something off that could be revealed in an investigation. So why open a can of worms by telling the aviation medical examiner? I would love to see the third class go away, but I doubt any government agency will voluntarily give up any turf. In my opinion the medical standards of evaulating pilots needs to be changed in light of new treatments. Thank you for allowing me to share. You are assumed to be lying. We are equally desiring of our freedom, but because we are a small group, the bureaucracy can get away with it. Most pilots I know plan to fly for longer than it takes one or two medical certificates to expire. Can you say, Martha Stewart?, I do think that the First and Second class medical criteria should be more stringent.. Also, if you are too young for that, they can check other insurance companies and, apparently, a company, McKesson I believe, that gathers and compiles statistical data from and for insurance companies. What you didnt? I am an AME and 4,000 hour pilot. When the whole 3rd class medical requirement is seen in a larger context, its absurdity can be seen. For example, what if one is tired or snores. I was just having so much fun and I didnt realize just how difficult it was going to be. Whether or not your AME issues your medical certificate, the FAAs Aeromedical Certification Division (AMCD) will review your application. Ask those young people who posted personal info online and then got turned down for a job interview because of those posts they placed years ago. Everyone should say they have been dizzy. The hypocrisy at the FAA hurts general aviation in lots of ways. If you have a disqualifying medical condition, say unexplained loss of consciousness, you cant fly. For those who fly for a living, YOU are the natural enemy doctor. There shouldnt be different standards. They want to approve, not deny medicals. But is the whole medical certificate process flawed? Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? A large gray area separates these two extremes, however. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. I hope you realize a world that had perfect safety would be one not worth living in. Gets Weekends Off . Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). Id probably be in better shape if I *wasnt* a pilot since Id feel free to take advantage of those things, whereas now theyre just traps, ways to lose the ability to fly. I wonder if your AME is really doing everything he can to be your advocate in this situation. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. Such disorders might be genetic. The information provided on this website is not intended to be a replacement or substitute for professional medical advice. If you have a condition which COULD result in a denial then get it checked out because you have a potential medical condition that could be a problem with you living. An exam for a third class medical certificate with a student pilot certificate can cost between $75 and $150. The only truthful answer is yes, most every night. Given how stress, marriage pressures, work distractions, fatigue and the hopelessly useless pee in cops cut, phony eye exam work, the self certification (which good pilots do anyway) and lack of medical accident experience with LSA, the fat, useless, overpaid FAA administrators should just go away in favor of drivers license. N.C., one does not have the right to lie to the feds investigating an illegal act. I refer them to my TMI rule; if it was transient, dont say it. Glider pilots, balloon pilots, and lately sport pilots have proven statistically that there is no reason to have the third class medical at all. It does happen. But the feds harass pilots, not drivers, because they can get away with it with pilots but not with drivers. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. There are are more decisions that have to be made while driving than flying. My problem is with it taking MONTHS of run around after the issue is handled to the FAAs satisfaction per the conditions they themselves tell us we need to meet. Office hours M-F 8:30am - 5:00pmOur Privacy If they claim pilots and truck drivers are more important or have a larger impact then ask why the average federal bureaucrat is paid so much. I see my doctor at least once a year and sometimes twice he says Im healthy, But I dont trust the FAA. But, I dont think my level of forthcoming on the application was typical. A medical exam is required for a Commercial Driver License and for working on a commercial boat carrying passengers. 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